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Looks good! 20 as default works for me.

Good, just want to make sure we’re looking for the same thing. Had a chance to play more real machines last night. I agree this might be one we have to live with.

I think I might know what’s happening here. I’ll take a look and see if I can resolve it.

I find your feedback less than helpful.  Quite frankly I think you’re trolling.  Not only did I test on real machines, I said so with quite a bit of detail only a few posts above.

https://vpinball.com/forums/topic/tales-of-the-arabian-nights-physics-discussion/page/3/#post-145104

Telling me you don’t think that the flipper tricks aren’t very r…[Read more]

I agree it’s easier to test on a real table.  For those providing feedback, I’ll add these to TOTAN and provide a link in PM.  Might not be until early next week.

In terms of the ball drop sounds, this is definitely a vp physics engine thing.  I don’t think the script is too sensitive.  The sounds might be exaggerated if that’s what you mea…[Read more]

Attached is version 3.  I’m hoping this is pretty close, but that’ll depend on the comments I get from the community.  This should address the springy flipper.  I’m curious what folks think of the backhand behavior.

Please give this some testing.  In addition to your comments, I’d also appreciate a “Yay” or “Nay” vote as to whether you’d like to…[Read more]

One other note, I could definitely see ball slow down on the flipper, consistent with wrd’s description above.  I agree that it appears to be high friction causing this behavior.

I spent some time today at The Pinball Lounge in Ovieda, FL.  The primary objective was to test and observe flipper physics.  I was able to test on a number of new Williams/Bally’s including Attack from Mars, Medieval Madness, Indiana Jones, Monster Bash, Creature from the Black Lagoon, The Addams Family, TwilightZone, and White Water.  Here ar…[Read more]

Yep, this is the springy flipper I was referring to.  I think I have a fix for this already working.  I’ll try to post another table this weekend for you to test.

Good feedback guys.  I need a few days of testing and trying a few new things to see what possible and where I think compromises will need to be made.  I do think I’m close, just want to see if I can push things a little bit further.

Is it friction or gravity?

No, I do care.  All the settings need to be tuned together to get everything working.

I just did a little testing on my end.  I don’t think EOS Torque is the issue here.  I think it’s Coil Ramp Up.  It looks to me like it’s taking too long for the flipper to start to move once you release the flipper button.  Lowering the Coil Ramp up some seem…[Read more]

Thanks Thalamus.  Great feedback.  I think I’m following most of it.

I’m not taking any of this as criticism.  I want to get this as close as possible if we’re going to add it to TOTAN.

For flick passes: Try decreasing EOS torque and see if you can find a value that feels more natural/has the right difficulty level.

Regarding the flippers be…[Read more]

@chihua07 No disrespect taken.  Keep the feedback coming.

@mophead The power in V1 is fine for the example table, but it not strong enough for making the ramp in the Totan table.  V2 strength is tuned to have a similar velocity profile as the existing flippers on the Totan table.  When you say the physics feel more video game like in V2, can you…[Read more]

The ramp shots aren’t easy on the real machine.  You have to have a clean shot.  Feel free to adjust your flipper strength if you’d like the shots to be easier.

Yes, the flippers definitely lost some strength.  I’m guessing it’s primarily due to the coil ramp-up setting.  Here’s an updated table.  I increased the strength of the flippers from 2850 to 3350.  I also increased the EOS angle from 6 to 7 and decreased the EOS Torque from 0.3 to 0.25.  This gives the flippers a little more “touch”.  Is it to…[Read more]

It’s certainly possible.  I haven’t tested these changes on TOTAN yet.  I’m looking to get the behavior and feel a little closer before I start to tune things.

Done! 

Here’s my first pass at adding flipper tricks to the nFozzy flippers.  Post passes, drop catches, and multi-ball separation all work.  Post passes and drop catches both require practice to perform consistently.

Thanks to @randr for helping me dig into the flipper behavior.  I’m fairly happy with where they are at currently, but I would love fe…[Read more]

It’s a combination of both. The videos get us close to the correct behavior. Trajectories, velocities, etc. I have randr to test and provide feedback on feel. It would be much easier if I had regular access to real machine for sure.

They are coming.  Randr has been helping me with measurements to dial-in the right behavior.