Altsound – Who Dunnit (Bally 1995) – Film Noir Remix

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Altsound – Who Dunnit (Bally 1995) – Film Noir Remix

Film noir, (French: “dark film”) style of filmmaking characterized by such elements as cynical heroes, stark lighting effects, frequent use of flashbacks, intricate plots, and an underlying existentialist philosophy. … The genre was prevalent mostly in American crime dramas of the post-World War II era.

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Very cool, thanks for the hard work and for sharing

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7x4x1z

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Much thanks!

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@bord

So ridiculously cool. Great, great job!

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@siacho

how to add volume to altsound tables?

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iDigStuff

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@dkane626

@siacho There is a video on the installation tab that walks you through step by step. (including how to adjust volume)

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@brew

Thanks for doing this! super cool!

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Bert Toni

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I have a question. Under Uploads stands White Water reochest… in new altsound format, but if you click on it…. site not found happend….  please could you upload or send me…. Its one of my favorite tables…

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dondi

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Thank you!!

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ridlar

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@ridlar

Very nicely done…can tell lots of work went into it.

Thanks for the share & you are right that it that it’s the perfect compliment to Bord’s Who Dunnit 1947.

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@hirez00

Nice job on these.

Question (which might have already been answered – but can’t seem to find the answer):

Overall, the altsounds seem considerably lower in volume than the sounds of the original table rom sounds. When I turn the volume up on my cab, for these sounds, EVERYTHING is louder including the tables mech sounds. The mech sounds can be lowered in the script to sort of balance it out. This is with the tables rom volume level set at 30.

When I then go to the original table with the original rom sounds without lowering the volume in my cab – then that version of the table is now REALLY loud – too loud.

I watched the video about raising the volume level in the altsound.csv for the individual sound volume increase, but I was hoping there was a function or feature to raise the overall volume of the new altsounds – without editing the altsound.csv file.

Perhaps I missed something but was hoping there was a setting I overlooked to set the altsound volume to exactly what want to match the basic volume level of the original table.

Please advise.

Again, nice work on these sounds and they make a world of difference to the new WhoDunnit 1947 table.

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7x4x1z

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@cookieraid

Thanks you!

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dielated

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hey gang – I too found this altsound much quiter than the ROM sounds -If anyone wants here is an ***updated csv file*** I’ve gone ahead and bumped up the volume on most music and selected sound effects by 20-30%. I did not adjust any voices, but this is a jumping off point if you just want an overall volume boost.

Just use this to replace the csv that comes with the original.

Incidentally I could not get the volume of the ‘scorecounting’ sound file to match the ‘endscorecounting’ file  (the cymbal and horn hits) – if anyone can figure out how to get those to match up Id be curious to know!

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iDigStuff

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@dkane626

@hirez00 Short answer no but

Going forward I’m going to increase the volumes before release as I did with the newest Bugs Bunny.

Easier for me to do it then have all of you have to do it individually.

As you saw in my video,  50 is where Pinmame spits it out at when creating the .csv

I leaned towards safe levels as to not blow up any cabs speakers

I use PinvolSSF  so for me its a simple turn of the volume knob.

I’ll update my releases soon with a new .csv

Side Note: Now that you’ve updated Playboy maybe we can revisit that sound mod idea I showed you last year ;)

Hope you’re well

 

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HiRez00

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@dkane626

I don’t use PinVol. But I have an small amp just inside my cab door so I can adjust the overall table volume.

95% of the time I can set the rom volume with the 8 and 9 keys per table / rom and its saved in the registry. For when this option is not available, like for non DMD tables, I use the F12 key and set the rom volume there (which is also saved in the registry for that particular table / rom). 1980s stern tables being the worst offenders where i am usually setting the rom volume with the F12 t0 -8 or so.

I try when adding tables to my cab to get the sound / volume level to roughly the same per table so when I jump from table to table I am not having to reach inside my cab and adjust the volume each time.

I was able to get the volume of the alt sound from Who Dunnit to roughly the same as the original rom sound by setting the volumes of most of the voices to 90, but also adjusting the amplitudes of 4 of the voices in the package by opening them in a sound editor and bumping up the amplitude to -4 for each one – these were the score counting (score_conting) sound files.

I think when they are set to “50” in the csv, and then you turn the rom sound all the way up in the table – even at full volume, the sound is only being output at 50% of the actual voice level, which in turn makes them impossible to get any louder without re-encoding the .ogg files.

I have found that MOST dmd rom tables, with the max volume being 30 on the screen (some stern tables have higher volumes settings than 30 being the max) – that setting the sound at around if not 28 is the max you can go with the sound without any distortion.

Similarly, the 8 and 9 keys allow you to adjust the altsound rom sound as well as if it was coming from the original rom – so I am pretty sure that even if you set all the csv files to 100 – it won’t distort if the tables / dmd volume setting is at 28 or so (based on the sound voice file itself).

I vaguely remember the jurassic park alt sound was WAY louder than the original rom sounds, and similarly, those had to be adjusted as well – but reduced in volume.

The whole altsound is fairly new to VPX and is a nice change up for reskinned tables. I added the altsound of CFTBL to my Black and White Mod of that table, so I could keep the original sound for the original VPX version so it is overall a new and enjoyable playing experience.

Looking forward to the updates for your altsound packages.

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[takut]

Very cool, thanks for the hard work and for sharing

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[7x4x1z]

Much thanks!

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[bord]

So ridiculously cool. Great, great job!

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[siacho]

how to add volume to altsound tables?

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[iDigStuff]

@siacho There is a video on the installation tab that walks you through step by step. (including how to adjust volume)

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[Brew]

Thanks for doing this! super cool!

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[Bert Toni]

I have a question. Under Uploads stands White Water reochest… in new altsound format, but if you click on it…. site not found happend….  please could you upload or send me…. Its one of my favorite tables…

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[iDigStuff]

@berttoni   Waiting for moderation from Vpinball

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xenonph

[dondi]

Thank you!!

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[ridlar]

Very nicely done…can tell lots of work went into it.

Thanks for the share & you are right that it that it’s the perfect compliment to Bord’s Who Dunnit 1947.

• This reply was modified 5 years, 4 months ago by ridlar.

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[HiRez00]

Nice job on these.

Question (which might have already been answered – but can’t seem to find the answer):

Overall, the altsounds seem considerably lower in volume than the sounds of the original table rom sounds. When I turn the volume up on my cab, for these sounds, EVERYTHING is louder including the tables mech sounds. The mech sounds can be lowered in the script to sort of balance it out. This is with the tables rom volume level set at 30.

When I then go to the original table with the original rom sounds without lowering the volume in my cab – then that version of the table is now REALLY loud – too loud.

I watched the video about raising the volume level in the altsound.csv for the individual sound volume increase, but I was hoping there was a function or feature to raise the overall volume of the new altsounds – without editing the altsound.csv file.

Perhaps I missed something but was hoping there was a setting I overlooked to set the altsound volume to exactly what want to match the basic volume level of the original table.

Please advise.

Again, nice work on these sounds and they make a world of difference to the new WhoDunnit 1947 table.

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[7x4x1z]

Thanks you!

• This reply was modified 5 years, 4 months ago by 7x4x1z.

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[dielated]

hey gang – I too found this altsound much quiter than the ROM sounds -If anyone wants here is an ***updated csv file*** I’ve gone ahead and bumped up the volume on most music and selected sound effects by 20-30%. I did not adjust any voices, but this is a jumping off point if you just want an overall volume boost.

Just use this to replace the csv that comes with the original.

Incidentally I could not get the volume of the ‘scorecounting’ sound file to match the ‘endscorecounting’ file  (the cymbal and horn hits) – if anyone can figure out how to get those to match up Id be curious to know!

• This reply was modified 5 years, 4 months ago by dielated.
• This reply was modified 5 years, 4 months ago by dielated.

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[iDigStuff]

@hirez00 Short answer no but

Going forward I’m going to increase the volumes before release as I did with the newest Bugs Bunny.

Easier for me to do it then have all of you have to do it individually.

As you saw in my video,  50 is where Pinmame spits it out at when creating the .csv

I leaned towards safe levels as to not blow up any cabs speakers

I use PinvolSSF  so for me its a simple turn of the volume knob.

I’ll update my releases soon with a new .csv

Side Note: Now that you’ve updated Playboy maybe we can revisit that sound mod idea I showed you last year ;)

Hope you’re well

 

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[HiRez00]

@dkane626

I don’t use PinVol. But I have an small amp just inside my cab door so I can adjust the overall table volume.

95% of the time I can set the rom volume with the 8 and 9 keys per table / rom and its saved in the registry. For when this option is not available, like for non DMD tables, I use the F12 key and set the rom volume there (which is also saved in the registry for that particular table / rom). 1980s stern tables being the worst offenders where i am usually setting the rom volume with the F12 t0 -8 or so.

I try when adding tables to my cab to get the sound / volume level to roughly the same per table so when I jump from table to table I am not having to reach inside my cab and adjust the volume each time.

I was able to get the volume of the alt sound from Who Dunnit to roughly the same as the original rom sound by setting the volumes of most of the voices to 90, but also adjusting the amplitudes of 4 of the voices in the package by opening them in a sound editor and bumping up the amplitude to -4 for each one – these were the score counting (score_conting) sound files.

I think when they are set to “50” in the csv, and then you turn the rom sound all the way up in the table – even at full volume, the sound is only being output at 50% of the actual voice level, which in turn makes them impossible to get any louder without re-encoding the .ogg files.

I have found that MOST dmd rom tables, with the max volume being 30 on the screen (some stern tables have higher volumes settings than 30 being the max) – that setting the sound at around if not 28 is the max you can go with the sound without any distortion.

Similarly, the 8 and 9 keys allow you to adjust the altsound rom sound as well as if it was coming from the original rom – so I am pretty sure that even if you set all the csv files to 100 – it won’t distort if the tables / dmd volume setting is at 28 or so (based on the sound voice file itself).

I vaguely remember the jurassic park alt sound was WAY louder than the original rom sounds, and similarly, those had to be adjusted as well – but reduced in volume.

The whole altsound is fairly new to VPX and is a nice change up for reskinned tables. I added the altsound of CFTBL to my Black and White Mod of that table, so I could keep the original sound for the original VPX version so it is overall a new and enjoyable playing experience.

Looking forward to the updates for your altsound packages.

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