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Yes i am leaning towards nvidia soon, but my real question is why the hd7850 computer is much faster than my pincab.
The r7 card has the same chips as the old hd7850 i have read. And speed comparison pages list these 2 board at almost the same performance.
I have now tried older catalyst drivers opposed to the latest crimson drivers and there is no difference. Still slow 55fps.
If i turn everything off in vp10 THEN i get the same framerates as i get on the HD7850 WITH all settings on.
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I am not a video card expert but this chart is popular.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html
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Thanks. I am trying my old GTX560 today to see what difference it makes.
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Ok, now i understand that FPS it s not all. I change “limiter vsync to 1” it drop to 60 fps but are smooth. Test is demolition man.
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Yes that works for me too to set to 1. But i still want to know why my old card gets much higher framrates.
I tried the GTX 560 today in a PCIE2.0x16 slot (as it is a 2.0) card, but it was even slower. With all settings off i could only get about 80 fps on CC, and 35-40 fps with all on.
So i reinstalled the r7 in the same 2.0×16 slot and it is exactly the same speeds as before, so it seems the PCIE3.0x16 does not make any difference even though the r7 IS a 3.0×16 board.
I guess it is somwthing with my windows install that strangles the speeds. I just can’t figure out what.
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Hey Anders… it could be a driver issue. A lot of times on forums for video games you will see guys with newer, powerful cards complaining that the game is running bad for them and it can be a problem with the driver and that software. That’s just one possibility, but something to consider.
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yes i know that. I have tried 4 different drivers. 2 pre crimson (catalyst) and 2 new drivers including the latest.
There are no difference in performance.
And it’s the same windows install on both machines. The only real thing different is the cpu.
I wonder if it can have something to do with the motherboard and drivers for that. I tried upgrading the MB’s bios, installed latest Intel drivers , but still no difference.
Even when running without backglass it is the same speeds.
The pincab mb is a Asus Z97-P.
I am going to panic buy a GTX 970 today ;) ( If it’s the same i’ll sell it again ).
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Sorry you are having so much trouble with it.
Bright side is you may get a new video card out of it. :)
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Before going to sleep, excellent resume for vsync.
http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_9.html
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F-ing unbelievable, i bought a new ASUS GTX970 earlier today and installed it on a fresh win7 install.
Latest nvidia drivers, latest intel drivers, updated bios on MB, and now i got … tadaaa THE SAME framerates (almost).
Just a tad better on VPX (only 20fps better on CC), but VP 9.21 is now totally unplayable (25-30fps and extremely laggy flippers). (I noticed that vpx can run without DX9 , but not DB2S and vp 9.xx) One would have thought modern softs like these would run on dx10 or 11.
I also have a headache figuring out why backglass screen get on the PF (tried changing screen in screenres.txt, but no matter what i set, 1 or 2).
The GTX card wants to put bootscreen on DVI output and second screen on HDMI,( SO STUPID) and it is not changeable. (ATI shows bootscreen on both displays, and set HDMI as screen 1)
But when windows start it displays on HDMI port (PF) and is set as screen 1 “default”, and PF screen is set as 2 (to the right as i have always set it). But B2Sserver seems to get confused.
I really can’t figure out what is bottlenecking the boards. I have tried both PCIE 2.0 slot and 3.0 slot, same thing.
I even swapped the 8Gb 1833 memory to 16Gb 2400mhz the week before, and that did not do any difference either.
Soon i have bought parts to a whole new computer.
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Insufficient power? Maybe throttling from high temperatures?
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I have a 600w supply that only runs the computer, an SSD disk and a 2TB WD green drive.. High temperature from a cold start? I run the mobo flat out in the cab with a big fan sucking out the air 10cm from the mobo. And i have about 17-18 degree celcius in the cellar i have the machine.
It doesn’t start with high fps and goes down, it is low right from a cold start.
I am thinking if there are some speed throttling done somewhere i don’t know about. In the bios or somewhere else.
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Okay – I have had my cab now for 2 years and been thru most ‘set ups’ and ‘tweaking’. When I first tried to do a cab 5 years before that I was given some bad advice and gave up.
Just going to ask a few questions – some may seem basic or silly but got to ask!
- Have you good thermal paste on your CPU heat sink?
- Have you reset your PCs CMOS?
- Upgrade your Bios for the motherboard.
- Do not over clock – I do not see the point with high spec equipment!
- Maybe get rid of the ‘2TB’ normal drive – and just try everything on the SSD.
- Is the SSD running well, I once had one go bad on me.
- Unplug all your other USBs and just play VP from the keyboard.
- Disable/Disconnect DOF products.
- Try another SATA connector.
It is one of those annoying things that you will just jump onto – it may be something daft you have overlooked.
Have no doubt its hardware! Anyone else you know with a good computer you could borrow and try VP.
ALSO your ‘screen numbering’ issue can be changed in Win7. It is in Windows adjustments and not Nividias’. Mine always boots with the DVI (going to backglass) and the main screen (HDMI) starts when Windows boots.
Currently I have a GTX660 2GB DDR5 card.
Hope some of these points help you solve the issue.
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1. yes was careful with that when i upgraded from standard cpu cooler to one of those megabig coolers.
2. yes a couple of times now ;)
3. I wrote that . Did bios update yesterday before gtx buy.
4 i never overclock.
5 i have a hard time thinking the hd would do any damage to gpu speed. It is just a backupdisk.
6. yes running well, no problems or errors (samsung 850 evo).
7. hmm wireless mouse and keyboard? Well i don’t have any wired keyboards or mice.But i’ll see what i can do.
8. hmm well without the usb devices (2 ledwiz and pin2dmd) it’s no fun at all even if i get the speeds up. But
i can try it.
9. same as 5.
No i think it is some powersaving shit somewhere.. Windows is set to max performance in powersaving settings.
Something with the motherboard, as i now have tried 3 gfx boards and all had poor performance.
I got so tired of the stuff today so take a pause until tomorrow again. Then i am going to check all your tips, and dig deep in the bios and gfx board software.
PS: i have turned off motherboard graphics also.
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The reason I said to disconnect the USB connections (except keyboard) is so you can check performance. If it jumps up whilst no LEDWIZ etc are plugged in then its something to do with that.
Same as the HDDs
I would strip the system to one screen, no DMD, no animated backglasses and no USBs except keyboard (or wireless dongle!).Perhaps even put 8gig ram in the machine.
It sounds like one thing in your game is duff…. Could be the motherboard. Do any of the capacitors look bulged on the top? Most motherboards are quad (or more) layered so you can not always see all the tracks.
Did you try another ATX power supply???
When I had issues 5 years ago I threw in the towel with VP but so glad I got back into it.
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I’ll try some of your tips about connected stuff, but have a hard time thinking it would be mobo or psu. All parts are brand new, bought them 4 month ago.
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Just a general recommendation: we added tooltips to all the video settings AND a reset-to-default button into VPX.1 (10.1).
So you can check if you screwed something up or read more detailed info about all those settings and whats the implication on performance or quality is for each setting by hovering over the input field/box.
The default config is also pretty much optimized for performance, except for having the “anisotropic filtering” box enabled, but then again this should not harm performance on any modern GPU. So if you experience performance issues then reset to default, and then go on from there by enabling things progressively.
Also in general we optimized performance in VPX.1 again. Not like a “magic-2x-faster” ;), but at least it should be in general a bit faster, and especially in some corner cases much smoother (like getting rid of some multiball stutter, etc), so please make sure to use that. It should be 100% compatible to VPX.
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ok, so all vpx tables will work in vpx.1 you mean?
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Anything you buy can be faulty – regardless of age or quality.
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Today i installed the new VPX.1 complete package on my 3d printer computer with win7 pro.
It is a Asrock extreme3 gen3 board with a I3-2100 3.Ghz, 12Gb ram, and installed the GTX970 into it.
No reinstall of win7.
I get 100fps on Cactus Canyon vpx with all settings on incl 4x aa. No backglass installed.
Super smooth play and no stutter whatsoever.
The CPU is running at 100%, so this rig the cpu is bottlenecking the performance.
T2_chrome_tipoto runs at 50-100fps with about 75% cpu load. (i guess older vp relies more on cpu than)
Elvis Nightmod Phys5 1.0 215 fps with Quality FXAA and force anistropic filtering on, CPU at 95-100%.
Next step is trying the Radeon R7-370 in this machine.
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