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  • #185042
    scampa123
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    @scampa123

    Has anyone created a Willy Wonka virtual table?

    I did some Google searches and saw a physical pinball machine created recently, however I was unable to find a table for Visual Pinball and/or Future Pinball…

    I think this would be neat, especially with a Pup pack containing videos from the Gene Wilder film.

    thanks!!

     

     

     

    #185066
    Thalamus
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    @thalamus
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    Go for it.

    #185079
    scampa123
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    @scampa123

    I wish I had the artistic skills to pull it off!!  I was hoping I was missing something and that someone had already created one.

    #185082
    cyberpez
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    @cyberpez
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    No Gene Wilder, But I’ve seen the Johnny Depp version….  It’s not as fun as it should have been and the flippers don’t work.

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    #185115
    Tom
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    @armyaviation
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    No artistic skills…. that’s only half of table building.  I don’t know scripting or graphics design and I have built a table..   in fact, I don’t even know how to read

    #185117
    scampa123
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    @scampa123

    Lol I guess I need to look into how to create a table…seems like only last week I set the software up for the first time!  Oh wait…that’s exactly when I did it!   :-)

     

     

    #185122
    32assassin
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    Visual Pinball is a simulator,  its only purpose is to recreate the physical aspects of a pinball

    it needs an emulator (PINMAME)  to run the logic found on the rom file.

    without proper Jersey Jack  or Sterns Spike 1-2   emulation  you can create tables but all you are going to have is a ball hitting

    switches with generic scoring.  You can spend 100s of hours learning the rules and then spending another 100s of hours scripting the table.

    good luck with that!!!!!!!!!

     

     

     

     

     

    see a table you like help me find the resources so that I can finish it
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7qtake9whi5ium2/AAB4K4W78oMVlqSxTzKtGHTHa?dl=0

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    #185132
    scampa123
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    @scampa123

    I get it…If I were serious about doing this I’d likely look to extend/leverage an existing table and modify it…Like a piece of source code.  I know there are tables which were built without a rom, which were never physical machines, so I’d likely start there.

    I have ideas about what this might include or look like but I’d have to start researching how all this works before doing anything seriously.

    looking at the content in these forms I’m certain there are tutorials on the process!

    #185179
    bietekwiet
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    Visual Pinball is a simulator, its only purpose is to recreate the physical aspects of a pinball

    it needs an emulator (PINMAME) to run the logic found on the rom file.

    without proper Jersey Jack or Sterns Spike 1-2 emulation you can create tables but all you are going to have is a ball hitting

    switches with generic scoring. You can spend 100s of hours learning the rules and then spending another 100s of hours scripting the table.

    good luck with that!!!!!!!!!

    Does this mean that we will never have Spike emulated tables?

    I know there is that Ghostbusters table that can’t be spoken about because it used proprietary code but no newer tables are being emulated besides recreating it as an original.

    Is this end of line for virtual pinball being the virtual versions of real tables?

    #185182
    Pinballfan2018
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    @pinballfan2018

    I wouldn’t say never. But it looks to be never. Just enjoy the original VPs and recreations done.

    Currently working TNA PUPDMD

    #185186
    LynnInDenver
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    My understanding is that Spike emulation is two factors: That it’s a whole operating system that needs more power to emulate (it may require an actual virtual machine like you’d run a Windows testing sandbox in), and that Spike2 is close enough to it that they’re choosing to treat them as one and the same in terms of the rule that “must be at least three years since the last table that used it” before attempting to emulate it to avoid catching the wrong sort of attention from Stern. (There’s actually been some unpleasant rumblings over at VPF about The Munsters being recreated anyway, albeit in an original table style instead of actual emulation, some people are taking it as a violation of the spirit of the three year rule.)

    Ghostbusters LE was a special case, someone figured out a way to use part of Farsight’s Stern Pinball Arcade to get that working as an emulated table, and the resulting takedown came from Farsight because it used their code specifically and violated the EULA. And that emulation proxy trick had some quirks, among others that you couldn’t really set ROM options that would persist, because Farsight had it set up that way for the sake of their software.

    I fully expect anything from Jersey Jack, American, Dutch, Spooky, and Heighway to all be similar in that it may require much more power to emulate. Plus, honestly, they’re all still unknowns in terms of how much unofficial emulation and recreation they’ll tolerate. All the older names, we already have a pretty good clue (mostly hands off, Gottlieb the exception in that they’d rather we delete all their content and never play any of their tables again).

    Creator of the first PinupPlayer PostDMD mods for VPX - PostDMD for Masters of the Universe VPX and Jaws VPX.
    Head Proprietor of Pisces Pinball, a VPX table developer.
    Lead Technician of MC Chase Amusements, a private arcade in our home basement.

    #185214
    bietekwiet
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    My understanding is that Spike emulation is two factors: That it’s a whole operating system that needs more power to emulate (it may require an actual virtual machine like you’d run a Windows testing sandbox in), and that Spike2 is close enough to it that they’re choosing to treat them as one and the same in terms of the rule that “must be at least three years since the last table that used it” before attempting to emulate it to avoid catching the wrong sort of attention from Stern. (There’s actually been some unpleasant rumblings over at VPF about The Munsters being recreated anyway, albeit in an original table style instead of actual emulation, some people are taking it as a violation of the spirit of the three year rule.)

    Ghostbusters LE was a special case, someone figured out a way to use part of Farsight’s Stern Pinball Arcade to get that working as an emulated table, and the resulting takedown came from Farsight because it used their code specifically and violated the EULA. And that emulation proxy trick had some quirks, among others that you couldn’t really set ROM options that would persist, because Farsight had it set up that way for the sake of their software.

    I fully expect anything from Jersey Jack, American, Dutch, Spooky, and Heighway to all be similar in that it may require much more power to emulate. Plus, honestly, they’re all still unknowns in terms of how much unofficial emulation and recreation they’ll tolerate. All the older names, we already have a pretty good clue (mostly hands off, Gottlieb the exception in that they’d rather we delete all their content and never play any of their tables again).

    Thanks for that in depth explanation. I get it that manufacturers protect their products. On the other side of the medal, because of Visual pinball I have grown an appetite to play more real pinball tables so in my case the virtual tables are advertisment for the real ones. I hope manufacturers could see that point as well.

    I just played the Munsters VPX table and love it and that one also makes me want to look to play the real one if there is one in or near my town (Perth).

     

     

    #213370
    scampa123
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    @scampa123

    I just saw this an am very excited to see someone is working on this!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZMK3IYHcy4&t=64s

     

     

    #216461
    jamosb
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    @jamosb

    I just saw this an am very excited to see someone is working on this!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZMK3IYHcy4&t=64s

     

     

    It is a cool table but not a emulation of Jersey Jacks table. I would give it a year or so then 3 year rule will be done and mame most likely will have the rom emualated.

     

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