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Very nice. You can just look at the screenshot and see it’s a quality table and the design lines look right. Looks like a very fun table that is not cranked out in a month and the care and attention to detail shows. Definitely a download for me. Looking forward to playing it.
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Forgot to mention this. FP has certain problems with the speed of the flipper if the strength is too low, the flipper gets laggy. If you have a very fast computer, you will notice this a bit more. Mine is pretty average as a gaming computer, so pretty hard to test myself.
The lag unfortunately is a fp thing. The slower the omega of a fp flipper, the slower the flipper will swing, as fp’s physics are “all in one”. I’ve actually done a lot of code to reduce this as much as possible, but you also need a very low omega to be able to flick from tip to tip.
If you have a really fast computer, or a cabinet, you can try this in the script
Change:
shivaFlippersPresetCase=3 ‘ Preset for variable coil. 0=off, 1 or 2 for cabs, 4 or 5 for keyboards. 3=happy medium.To
shivaFlippersPresetCase=1 ‘ Preset for variable coil. 0=off, 1 or 2 for cabs, 4 or 5 for keyboards. 3=happy medium.
And if that doesn’t quite work, then try this as well
LeftFlipperSwingAngleEnd=32 ‘ Max amount of dynamic steps for omegas to reach MaxOmega
RightFlipperSwingAngleEnd= 32
RightFlipper2SwingAngleEnd= 32Change the number to a lower value. try 20-25. This decreases the amount of steps needed for the variable coil, but will also make each step a stronger omega.
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Thanks JLLL. I’m doing Test version 2. I hope to have it ready real soon, have to combat yet another thing that FP threw at me, but thinking so far (fingers crossed) that I have found a workaround. The flippers are a bit better at least to me, a bit more closer to vpx. Still not quite there, but I am going to try and rope another coder to have a look at it and see if he can help come up with a better or simpler solution.
I have done a rewrite and rearranging of the script, and written a lot of remarks explaining the code, and afterwards, when JG is (finally) out, will see about a proper example table so it is as easy as possible for others to add this to their tables. I also think a couple of my other tables deserve to be fpx tables as well, and of course, will help with other tables if needed.
I think FP flippers still can be better. It’s very tough to get FP to play like this, with so many missing physics compared to vpx, but there’s always room for improvement. I have a very good idea what to try out next, but I’m going to leave that for a little while as getting a little tired of staring at this game and especially the code in it.
Have to say I agree with you about other tables. After playing JG with the new flipper physics for a few days, I went to play another game and lasted about 45 seconds before I went “nope” and exited out. I suspect I will be doing a lot of modding of other tables myself. :)
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Testers are scattered all over the place, so there’s a central thread for feedback and comments. Or in this case praise, as everyone just loves the game and the major improvements. I expect more soon, but I suspect some people are a bit shellshocked at the difference this plays. A second test version is coming in a few days (figured out something) and looks like a release afterwards. For those who contacted me about a version for use in other FP tables here, I have rearranged and rewritten the remarks in the script so it is a lot easier, and intend to do a sample example using the stock FP new table template, as well as add it to fpxEngine down the road.
Thread is at PN. I also update the progress of the next build every once in a while.
https://pinballnirvana.com/forums/threads/shivaflippers-v3-beta-test-thread.20220/
Also, I see people are wondering about what fpx actually is. This is my designation, it stands for Future Pinball Extended.
fpx games use the latest BAM code, and my latest physics code such as shivaFlippers and my own Bounce control system, as well as custom physics shaping and tricks to get around FP bugs. It also uses the latest code from many other authors as well, to make FP games the best possible games we can do at the present moment. I will be updating several games after JG is finished, and will include the fpx designation in my table file name so people know this is a new generation of FP tables. Hopefully other authors will do so, because yes, it is that big of a improvement. Think better than VP9 now, and very unique flippers with a “feel” that I actually like better than arcade games and vpx in some ways.
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A new era in FP physics begins…
Have sent version rc2 out for testing, to see if we can hammer out the presets for the new shivaflipper physics and variable coil system. This adds capabilities that FP couldn’t do before because these new physics was completely missing from the beginning. So far, from what I have gotten back, people are having a very hard time getting their head wrapped around these new physics, mainly because we are all so use to 15 years of crappy flippers, and now that we have the ability to loft, flick and generally finesse our shots, we are having a very hard time getting use to it.
I made this very easy to do, I believe vpx can do these things, but I’ve never been fast enough to do it, and I suspect a lot of other people as well, so the settings are very liberal for us poor keyboard players. I’ve added 5 presets, and the ability to add more, so when the game is released (hopefully next week) maybe some vpxers will play around with it and help fine tune the settings.
Still have a way to go, there’s a couple more things to figure out and get a workaround for, but even after staring at code for several months, and constant testing, I’m still having a hard time believing this is a FP game now. I really hope some people give this a chance, a lot of hard work was put into this by not just myself but many others, and we deserve better than “FP sucks, don’t play it no matter what” with out even getting a chance to prove people wrong.
Still, to those people… better get it out of your system now, you won’t be able to say that for too much longer.
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Another suggestion you never asked for. Is there a 2 way long looping shot there? If that is what you want, your angle is wrong at the right spinner side. If you have room, set the right side of that lane so it “points” to the right flipper instead of the left flipper. This way, you can set up a combo shot like High speed where you shoot the ball with the right flipper into the left lane, the ball wraps across the top of the table, travels downward and exits to where it hits the right flipper. If you time it right, you can do the exact same shot, and give a special scoring feature like a additional multiplier. Flow baby flow
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Very good. Love the plunger shot, very different. One thing I saw, I would consider swapping the right ramp and the kicker in positions. Ramp shots like that I never liked, to close to the slings and interfere a bit. (firepower 2 prime example, just awkward shot) looks like you have the room for it, and think it may be a more enjoyable shot for the player to get.
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Well, thought I had included the wheel image in the High res folder with JG, but apparently not. Found my psd file, and did some extra quick work and a couple touch-ups on it, so this would be my alternative wheel image.
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About time I showed this off a bit. Maybe more people will play it then.
A quick preview of Jungle Girl fpx v1.1 for Future Pinball/BAM, now in development. This features the new changes and shows off the new shivaDynamicFlippers with the variable coil strength feature. You can set these new flippers to emulate the flippers used in the 1950’s all the way up to a modern Stern in terms of behavior, and you now have “ball loft” and “flick” capabilities as well as some voodoo to the flipper wall method I use for shivaFlippers. This is still in development, but is about 95 percent done. The blank audio portion is for voices to be (hopefully) added, and there are minor adjustments needed for the custom physics. The game itself has had a lot of minor tweaks across the board, and made a slight bit faster and harder.
There are 2 videos, the first where I had a bad game and forgot to switch off my microphone when I was playing a old Gladys Knight record (Content police!!!)
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And the second playthrough, this time I show the settings from the script, as well as my video settings. Much better game for me and I stopped trying to show off, fail and just played the game. I try to demonstrate some of the more advanced features of the flippers in both videos, maybe successful 1 out of 10 times, but when successful, you can see that these are not the FP flippers and physics your grandpa hated.
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Despite the fact I play horribly, every once in a while you see the “loft” capability and a couple pinball tricks that I will never be able to duplicate a million times with the flippers, like that nice drop catch and quick transfer to the other flipper in the second video (about 5.40. bet you never thought FP could do that could you?) . Everything across the board has been improved slightly, even a couple graphics changes.
This uses FP/BAM as a base starting point, and every trick in the playbook I have to get it to play better than that. Honestly, I can’t think of even a vpx game that plays like this even with it’s “perfect physics”. In fact, most vpx games are “too perfect” and lack character and play ability, and come off as too dull and “by the book” for my tastes. Jungle Girl is so different than anything else, because even though this is early in development for my newest physics, JG is still one hell of a great playing table. The game play-ability is as good if not better than anything else out there that I have come across, so really you should consider this the start of a third type of physics as compared to FP/Bam or VPX.
For those of you who do not have Jungle girl, you can find the first version here:
https://pinballnirvana.com/forums/index.php?resources%2Fjungle-girl-fpx-preview-release.5547%2F
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